Reddit OBE FAQ 02 - Threshold Signals and Experiences On The Edge
Vibrations, phosphenes, hypnagogia, inner sound, energy sensations, and transition-state phenomena.
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This document contains 39 entries. It focuses on:
the vibration state and common false positives
body distractions, itching, and waking vibrations
phosphenes, inner sound, and hypnagogic imagery
blackouts, delirium, and steering threshold states
being pulled out, falling sensations, and energy sensations
Table of Contents
A short AP with a weird exit and waking after-effect
AP’d from the sofa for a couple of seconds, zapped myself with a tiny spark of static
A potential new technique (for me, and maybe some of you)
Working on a new AP technique related to the inner sound, and I have some findings to share
Working on a new direct method, some powerful results
Training exercise: access hypnagogic imagery/sound quickly, while mostly awake
Some new tips for triggering and working with hypnagogia and the inner sound
Hypnagogic audio exercise: listen for those inner sound dips
A hypnagogic steering exercise for you
Some findings with regards to hypnagogic flashing/share your experiences
Cutting through delirium with an intention
Give me your strange one-liners from the other side
sac_boy’s AP Diary #3: Wait, was that a chakra?
AP Diary: a psychological drama
Itches, arachnophobia, and body-focus spirals
Inferred: beginner practice
Fear and entities, and the astral body
Recognizing the actual vibration state
How separation feels when it starts
Electric zaps as the vibration stage
Bed vibrations versus AP vibrations
Vibrations, the rope technique, and practice timing
Bright light, eye opening, and early sensations
Swinging sensations, colors, and proximity to AP
Failing to feel vibrations
Waking vibrations and the body
Noisy chaos before leaving the body
Possible assistance during hypnagogia
Falling sensations
Beginner practice, and astral vision
Flashes of light while almost asleep
Using the inner sound for psi development
Beginner practice, and the inner sound
Breathing methods
Ringing in the ears on waking
Blacking out during awake methods
Requesting postcards from nonphysical sources
Inferred: how dreams and lucid dreams relate to AP
Inferred: whether the rope technique is useful
1. A short AP with a weird exit and waking after-effect
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/164r0u1/a_short_ap_with_a_weird_exit_and_waking/
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
Answer:
I thought I would report this one because it’s so odd.
Today’s technique was subtle energy focus + inner sound. I’ve never been a big ‘subtle energy’ guy because I object to imagining things and hoping for real effects, but recently things have changed as I have worked on accessing the very real sensation of the energetic heartbeat (yes, the same ‘fast heartbeat’ beginners complain about all the time here on the sub) while awake.
To do this, I start by finding my normal physical heartbeat, then seek the faster and more subtle reverberations between the beats. They are initially found in the upper chest and throat, but with focus you can find his same reverberation all over your body. Finding the inner sound (the high pitched tone) seems to help. You can feel the inner sound pulsing in intensity with this energetic heartbeat.
I laid for a while with no intention other than feeling this reverberation in different body parts. I mentally sang some songs to raise frisson energy. I breathed and pulled the frisson tingles up, which intensified this second heartbeat. I noticed some interesting effects:
I triggered some sort of cramp or rapid physical tremor in the small muscles of my right forearm. It settled quickly.
While working in the area of my throat, I experienced the tight sensation you feel after crying. That Pixar movie throat feeling. There was no emotional cause, just the effect.
Soon after this I heard myself snore and the weird exit experience began:
There was something beside me in bed. A humanoid figure, glowing a pale green, hugging my right side. It wasn’t entirely human-shaped as it had some kind of branching tentacles instead of arms, and these were draped over my chest.
A voice casually directed my attention to my own left hand. “Take those chopsticks and stab that thing, would you?” Sure enough there was a bundle of sharp and broken black chopsticks in my left hand. I thrust them to my right and the thing started thrashing around violently. I felt fairly unemotional throughout this process--20 years ago this sort of sight would have bounced me right out of the state and left me shaking afterwards. Still this is definitely on the upper end of weird pre-AP experiences.
Then it was just me again, alone in both bed and head, and I was ready to exit.
The actual AP was quite short, dark (perfectly clear, but night), and uninteresting. I floated down into the bushes of my back yard and got a bit tangled up. After pulling myself through the branches I took a look around my yard and my neighbour’s yard in that crisp darkness. I called out to see if there were any guides around today (this has never worked, they aren’t summoned, but you never know) and the only answer was a shrill cackle from the direction of my house. Trying to fly up and see where the cackle came from, I ended up back in my body and physically awake.
But then it gets interesting...
Let me reiterate that I was physically awake now, looking at my ceiling with my actual eyes. It’s daytime, early evening, and the room is well lit. This was not some pre-AP state or a false awakening (unless I’m still in it!)
There was a creature on my ceiling. Transparent, barely visible, but there nonetheless. Imagine a fat starfish with one arm slightly longer than the others, forming a kind of tail. About the size of the palm of my hand, made of transparent jelly, or made out of the very grain of vision itself. It moved from the middle of the ceiling towards a light fitting above my side of the bed. It had a distinctly animal gait, moving four squat limbs and swinging that ‘tail’ as if it was swimming along the underside of the ceiling. This was no trick of the light or mote in my eye; this was a three-dimensional creature.
To my surprise it didn’t disappear or move position when I stood up out of bed. I was able to get quite close. I’d expected it to move when I moved my eyes, but it existed in 3D space, hugging the ceiling. I reached out to touch it and it faded away.
To say it faded away implies something a bit too cinematic. There was no smooth cross-fade here, but at the same time there was no hard cut. I was just able to notice it one second, and the next second there was just my ceiling and the grain of my vision, my outstretched arm reaching up.
I’m still in the same continuous awareness--I went downstairs and had dinner, then wrote this.
Anyway that was weird, wasn’t it? That’s the second time ever that I’ve seen something in the 30 seconds or so following AP, and again it was something hugging the underside of my ceiling.
2. AP’d from the sofa for a couple of seconds, zapped myself with a tiny spark of static
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
Answer:
Hey folks, it’s been a while since I last hung out here in a serious way (it does tend to lead to a kind of burnout) but I thought I would just record this observation and see if anyone has run into something similar.
So it was after a big dinner last week and I was on the sofa feeling drowsy. My wife was beside me. We were supposed to be watching TV but I was blacking out for a couple of minutes at a time, not following what was going on.
Suddenly, a spontaneous AP: I am now in a standing position to the left of my physical body, looking down at myself and my wife on the sofa. In that instant the fog clears entirely, I realise what’s going on, and I reach out and touch the top of my own left arm, just below the shoulder.
Zap! A little crack of static electricity flows from my astral finger (or into it). It’s only about as powerful as the zaps you get when taking off a polyester jumper. I feel it in my fingertip--but I also feel it in my physical upper arm, at the point of contact, and I hear it with my physical ears. I’m immediately physically awake (not with a jolt, but just a quick return to full physical wakefulness, with the drowsy post-dinner fog gone). There was a faint lingering sensation. As far as my physical senses were concerned, there really was a static spark at that point on my body.
I don’t recall ever experiencing that specific effect, but I must say that every time I’ve intentionally interacted with my physical body (or at least, its representation) something odd has happened.
Has anybody run into the same thing--a tiny electric spark on contact?
It would be interesting to try to repeat this in total darkness with a sensitive enough camera. Of course, repeatability is a pain in the ass (seems to be built into the system) but it’s worth a try.
3. A potential new technique (for me, and maybe some of you)
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
Answer:
This came out of a couple of conversations yesterday.
This overlooked post from /u/Appropriate_Tailor93 mentioned an an interesting technique, as follows:
The other experience is on the opposite end of the spectrum, where I have been able to AP in a radically different manner [...] while being 100% conscious of my noisy surroundings, so much so that I have been able to carry on a light conversation in Spanish [...] with my housemate and not lose the connection. And my astral perception is also remarkably acute and immersive [...]
The experience itself is attained by consciously moving the illusions of light one may see when staring into the darkness when one closes their eyes. With some practice, the illusions of light can be focused into a point, and once it is, that point becomes something like a tunnel. Traveling through that tunnel, one is exposed to all sorts of things and being, including demons, monsters, angles, aliens, etc., but they appear to be there only as a distraction because they never bother me. I have no idea where I will appear on the other end of the tunnel.
Just that morning I’d been reading about the yogis and their bindu dhyān, thanks to this post, a method which sounds very similar (but of course surrounded by a great deal of flowery language, mysticism, and a little bit of guru-gatekeeping because...yogis.)
So I thought I would give it a go. I’ve done a bit of experimenting with phosphenes before but I’ve considered them a dead end, a physical neuro-electric phenomenon that was not worth focusing on. One trick I’ve learned over the years is to make the phosphenes stay still and condense into hard-edged shapes by looking past them, rather than chasing them around with my attention, and it is certainly interesting that attention seems to change their behaviour.
Well wouldn’t you know, this led to 2 very easy OBEs in quick succession...at bedtime, of all times, which has always been the hardest time for me to successfully AP. I was on my side, in a sleeping position, tired at the end of a day. I let the phosphenes settle and condense while looking past them.
I would broadly categorise phosphene imagery into the following:
Plain old retinal after-images - I’m just including this to say that these are not significant
Waves - linear shapes that tend to move across your vision, warping as they do, like waves meeting a curved shoreline
Clouds - large puffy shapes that grow and shrink, usually soft-edged
Points - single points of light that can be sharp or soft-edged
Point clouds - clusters of points, sometimes containing other shapes, sometimes with fractal-like edges
Textures - bigger than point clouds, complex stable textures that may include strata-like lines, noise
Lattices - repeated patterns like checkerboards, or other symmetries
Spontaneous imagery - recognizable shapes that are more than just paredolia, but not quite full power hypnagogic visions
Try to ignore the waves and clouds. Don’t follow them around with your attention. If you do, they will swirl and never settle. If you fix your attention in the center of your visual field, you might start to see points appear randomly (off center)--ignore those too. The clouds and waves should start to settle--they become still and shrink. Sometimes they will shrink towards the center of your vision, revealing a dense point cloud with fairly sharp and relatively bright edges. This point cloud itself may shrink. I suspect this is what /u/Appropriate_Tailor93 refers to when he says the lights can be focused into a point.
While doing this (watching a point cloud shrink and intensify) I applied a sort of gentle, continuous forward intention, and sure enough I was able to separate from my body with no difficulty at all. I’d only been laying down for a matter of minutes! There was no vibration stage. I heard/felt the gentle rushing of vibrations when I returned to my body, not beforehand.
The OBEs themselves weren’t much to write home about...the first one was just some blind fumbling across my room and into the hall...in the second one, I had vision but the environment was low/sluggish. I recall looking at my hand and it had three fingers instead of four. I was able to go downstairs into the living room where my wife was sat on the sofa playing a game, and I shouted “WOMAN!” to try and get her attention--but when I said “...come up to bed!” I was saying it with my physical mouth.
I’m just recalling that the second OBE actually started with a flash of an unsettling hypnagogic image--a big crow eating another bird headfirst, and somebody shouting “troglodyte!”...but anyway, I’m sure that’s nothing important.
Give it a go folks! I know I’ll be trying again through the day and this evening.
P.S. If you start getting a headache or sore eyes, ease off for a day and then come back to it. Straining to make this work will be counter-productive. You might also try a light blindfold (one that doesn’t put any pressure on the eyeballs).
4. Working on a new AP technique related to the inner sound, and I have some findings to share
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
Answer:
Hey folks! I am abuzz this morning. You don’t know it yet but that’s a top class pun. I have been experimenting with directly triggering the pre-AP vibrations by expanding the ever-present inner sound that we all have in the middle of our heads.
Some background: recently I have been experimenting with various meditation approaches to see if I could find a new internal ‘lever’ that could reliably trigger the vibration state with a minimal investment of time. The idea is that if such a lever could be found, it would lead to a reliable AP method that could be used at any time of the day, including normal bedtime. (For me, bedtime has been a complete dead zone in terms of AP success throughout my adult life. I have had more success at literally any other point in the 24h day.)
Last year I spent about a month passively meditating on the inner sound. I’m referring to that high-pitched tone that you can probably hear right now if you try. It seems to manifest at a point a few inches behind the eyes, roughly central to the mass of the head. Some people mistakenly refer to this as tinnitus--it has nothing to do with ear damage! I’ve had this tone available to me as long as I can remember (as a child I would lay in bed listening to it). If you listen carefully, it has other higher-pitched tones embedded within it, like it’s a carrier wave for something else. My meditation would focus on these more subtle tones.
Nothing much came of these meditation sessions because I am about as disciplined as your mother-in-law’s chihuahua. The tone actually became a little bit intrusive at night, so I set it aside for a while. (Note: Ajahn Sumedho, one of the few to have written about the inner sound as a meditation object, considers this constant awareness to be a feature, not a bug.)
This year I have been meditating more regularly for its own sake, unrelated to AP practice and with no expectation of attainment. I have been working with mantra meditation, and occasionally experiment with other ‘audio’ objects of focus, such as an imagined bass sound (possibly related to the Om) or imagined white noise. These have given me interesting side-effects in terms of strong energetic sensations throughout the body.
The technique:
Go to bed and get comfortable in whatever position you like. Your normal sleeping position will be fine. Rationale: if this works, it will work quite quickly (i.e. 15-20 mins of work), and there is no way you will accidentally fall asleep because it’s quite an intense practice.
Relax for a few minutes. Let your mind wander just a little to turn your attention inward, then rein it back in.
Find the inner sound. Everyone has it. Some people have a harder time getting a handle on it. Search within until you find that solid tone right in the middle of your head. Sometimes it is found closer to the back of the head. It is not in any particular ear--be careful not to lock on to any actual tinnitus sound you might have. It is a bright, clean tone with slightly crunchy overtones. (If you are familiar with sound design, think of a high sine wave with a band of bit-crushed white noise a couple of octaves above.)
It is currently my belief that this inner sound is in fact some ever-present element of the very same vibration that we feel taking over our whole body before we are ejected into an OBE. I believe it is one narrow slice through a much larger frequency spectrum. (This belief is backed up by the experience of it expanding directly into the vibrations.)
Once you’ve found it, your next task is to intensify it--to brighten and widen the slice. It’s hard to describe how this is done. Sustained focus will make it louder and widen the range. Don’t strain. It’s easy to strain your neck muscles if you try to physically intensify the sound, but remember we also want the body to fall asleep...
Once the sound is loud in your mind, imagine the roar of broad-spectrum white noise, like your head is in some rough surf. This is an imagination exercise. Try to send that white noise into the inner sound. Pipe it in there. You will find that the sound intensifies even further. You may also experience peripheral energetic sensations. I found that my face, feet and hands began to tingle at this point.
Really shout that white noise internally. Like a scream with distortion cranked up. This is not a subtle practice. You are not seeking inner peace just yet. You want to crank up the internal volume as high as it can go.
You might also try imagining a huge ripping bass tone and piping that into the inner sound. The important thing to realize is that the inner sound responds to input in the form of other imagined sounds, and these have secondary energetic effects on the body. Experiment with this--I haven’t narrowed this down fully yet.
Now imagine the inner sound spreading across your body (hopefully it is very intense now). Imagine a connection between the inner sound and your heart. As soon as I did this, my heart started thrumming in the manner often experienced during pre-AP vibrations. Intensify this sensation as much as you can without physically straining. You might also try pushing the sound down your spine to your lower abdomen. This might feel like silly imagination-work, but you will be able to feel the effects.
Spread the sound, intensify the sound...spread the sound, intensify the sound...
You may notice an absolute flurry of hypnagogic imagery at this point. Like it’s on fast forward. I know I did.
Before long, I felt the narrow band of the inner sound explode into broadband vibrations and I became aware of my non-physical body, which was flapping around like a freshly caught fish. There was nothing else to do, separation was already underway.
I like this technique for a couple of reasons. 1) It is active and targeted--you are not passively waiting around (or performing some other exercise) for a dip in consciousness to reveal the vibrations. 2) It does not require heroic amounts of meditative focus, and requires no particular visualization skills, making it potentially easier to teach to a wider audience. 3) It works at bedtime! 4) I am pleased to finally trace a line between the day-to-day inner sound and the full-body vibrations of the OBE--I suspect mastery of that inner sound could well be a path to even faster and more reliable integration of the physical and non-physical worlds.
TL;DR: get comfy and intensify the inner sound as much as possible by internally blasting (imagined!) white noise into it, without physically straining. Imagine spreading this hybrid roar across your body. Widen and intensify the sound until it reaches a tipping point where it becomes the AP vibrations and you are out.
If you feel like it, please experiment with this technique and get back to me!
Further tips:
Interacting in any way with the inner sound will help you get results. Ultimately that inner sound is under your control--it’s like an internal voice we do not normally use. Where I have said to “pipe sound into” the inner sound, it might be more useful to think of it as “creating sounds with” the inner sound...for instance, try to speak with the inner sound. Try to make little high-pitched whooping sounds or pew-pew sounds within it. You’ll find that you can pulse the intensity and modulate it. This is the same ‘muscle’ that you will use to intensify it all the way to whole-body vibrations.
Any ‘loud’ imagined sound you can summon up will be useful here as well. Try explosions, banging on pot lids, death metal screams (maybe keep the lyrics positive). The key is to try to make these sounds with the inner sound. At first this will be an act of imagination. As you slip towards sleep this will become real and you will begin to feel the interaction with the inner sound as vibration elsewhere in your body.
If you have some favourite pieces of uplifting music that can reliably trigger frisson (that wave of tingling from your feet to head) try throwing in a few of these (from memory/imagination) early in the session as well. I only mention this because I have been doing this routinely lately, and it might be important. Edit: after experimenting later, I now think you should definitely mix this into your session, as it magnifies the inner sound massively and feels great.
If you feel a wave of queasiness or a feeling like your head is expanding, you are headed in the right direction and should repeat/intensify whatever you just did. I just tried over lunchtime (didn’t have time to get very deep) and I triggered a single wave of full-body vibrations that came with a hypnic jerk. If you find something like that, lean hard on it!
5. Working on a new direct method, some powerful results
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
Answer:
Quite often I talk about the importance of just letting go and letting things happen, but I keep coming back to the idea that there might be some lever for reliably triggering AP...some internal button combination, if you like. It does no harm to experiment. These experiments are starting to produce results.
So here we go. Let’s get straight to the technique (which starts with two exercises you should repeat regularly at any time of day):
Exercise 1: Bring up your inner sound. By this I mean locate the inner sound (that high pitched whine in the middle of your audio field/center of your brain) and increase its intensity as high as you can by focusing on it. Practice this day and night, try to locate it in loud environments, you’ll find that it’s always there. Find the little crunchy audio artefacts that bubble around the edges of the sound. Really feel it. When it gets to the point that you think you’re going to break something, you’re ready.
Exercise 2: With the inner sound bright and held in your mind, focus on various parts of your body. You may notice that waving your focus back and forth through your head causes the sound to pulse. You may notice that focusing on your extremities causes your extremities to tingle. You may notice waves of sensation moving up through your neck to your head when you focus in that area. These are very tangible sensations. By tangible, I mean not imagined. If you’ve been imagining energetic sensations up until now, I want you to stop and really observe the sensations when you combine the inner sound with body focus.
I suspect that if there is some direct manual means of triggering AP, this is at the heart of it: finding the inner sound and using it to push some internal ‘energetic’ sensation over the top, until--whoosh, you’re out. I have a solid idea of which specific energetic sensation to use, which forms the actual method:
Lay in your bed, get comfortable in any position that works for you. Your normal sleeping position will be fine.
Relax, breathe through your nose for a while, slow your breathing, let your heart rate naturally slow down. If you can’t feel your physical heartbeat internally bouncing around your body...well, learn to pay attention to subtle sensations. It’s there. It’s probably most noticeable in your own neck, under your jaw. I think some kind of internal ‘noise cancelling’ removes it from our perception, but you can learn to hear it. I want you to find your physical heartbeat and recognize it for what it is, so that you don’t mix it up with the energetic sensation that comes later. You will be able to feel both overlaid on each other. Feeling your physical heart just lazily doing its thing should assuage any fear that your real heart is going to explode. That fear stops a lot of people in their tracks, but take it from me, you’re going to be fine.
Find the inner sound, take a moment to bring it up NICE AND LOUD.
Now, bring your focus down to the area of your heart. Try to imagine bridging your heart and the sound ringing in your brain, like your attention is connecting them. The area slightly above and in front of the heart works for me--if you imagine dividing the distance between your heart and throat into quarters, then it’s about a quarter of the way up. This might be different for you. The idea is just to feel around that area while keeping the sound good and loud.
You will begin to feel a mild energetic thrumming in your chest. Notice that it is not your heartbeat. Feel the extents of that thrumming. It’s quite rapid. This is the start of the ‘rapid heartbeat’ people complain about, but you’ve triggered it yourself. The important lesson here is that you can trigger it yourself rather than waiting around.
Not only can you trigger it yourself, but just like the inner sound, your attention will intensify it. That mental muscle that you flex to intensify the inner sound will also intensify the energetic heartbeat. At this point you may be able to feel it moving up your neck in waves. Whoosh-whoosh-whoosh-whoosh...can you guess what we’re manually about to trigger?
I did this the night before last, at my usual bedtime (which is usually a total dead zone for me when it comes to AP). But sure enough, I ended up drifting out of my body just as the heart sensations reached my head. I was out, and then the following happened:
I had a REDACTED experience with my wife in the air above the bed, actually reaching down and pulling her out of her body first, which is something I’ve never done in our 20 years together. (I did ask her the next day if she had any sexy dreams, but she couldn’t recall anything).
After returning to my body I left again, drifting out into the back yard and I spent the night there. Now when I say ‘the night’ I think it added up to maybe two real-time hours because I went to sleep late and had to get up well before dawn to drive to a work event, ultimately going on less than 4 hours of sleep. The memories did not come back entirely clear either, as it was a lot to transfer across. But I spent an extended period of time just looking at the moon, zooming in and out. It had a faintly rusty tinge in the shadows. I remember practicing stability, making a point of not going on some crazy flight or attracting attention, just spending time feeling the stillness out there. I remember being amazed that I had been out and continually conscious for so long. (Incidentally I checked the phase of the moon for that night it was exactly right, but this isn’t a strong indicator of anything in particular.)
When I woke from that, I had no memory of who (specifically) I was, and then when I realized who I was and what I had to do that morning, I seriously considered quitting my job for all of 60 seconds just so that I could go back to sleep. (Then I wised up, or re-invested myself in the illusion, whatever way you want to look at it...)
Anyhow: try the technique, let me know your results.
Edit: and things get weirder...I hadn’t brought any of this up to my wife, but I was laying on her chest earlier while we were watching TV. I took a notion to bring up the inner sound and try to raise her chest vibrations in the same way I raise my own. Not long afterwards she asked me to get up as her chest was going crazy. I asked her to describe it--without prompting anything--and she described a rapid thrumming beneath the area where my head was resting. [Could it be that we genuinely can influence this energy in other people, under the right conditions?] I’ll have to test this again a few times of course, but if you can raise it in yourself, I would experiment by trying the same thing with a loved one without prompting them...
6. Training exercise: access hypnagogic imagery/sound quickly, while mostly awake
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
Answer:
Hey folks! This is probably the number one exercise I would share with my younger self if I could. It’s pretty fun as well so please try it out and maybe drop a comment with your findings.
‘Hypnagogic’ images and sounds are the images/sounds/entire scenes that seem to rise up unbidden from the depths of your brain, usually on the way down to sleep. I make no judgement about where these come from. You can just treat them as micro-dreams.
Some people say they don’t have/can’t access hypnagogia, but I think it’s a matter of simply being able to notice this information stream, because we spent so much of our time drowning it out with our own active thoughts and our physical senses. It’s always there.
Being able to coolly observe hypnagogic data as it passes by takes practice, but I have come to believe it is the best meditation focus for astral projection. Just by observing it--by tuning in to that channel, if you will--you keep your mind awake as your body falls asleep. So naturally you should practice accessing this stream and spending time with it. Learn how it feels. Learn what to expect. By doing so, you will train important mental muscles for astral projection.
So here’s the exercise:
Prepare a notebook and pen or open up a document on your favorite device. Consider temporarily turning up the lock out time on your phone/laptop so that you don’t have to enter a pin every time you want to use it.
Sit in a comfortable, upright position in a quiet room. We aren’t trying to sleep here, just turn our focus inward. Close your eyes, relax. Maybe dip your chin and lean forwards slightly. Support your head with your hands if you want.
Now here’s the trick: you need to avoid all active thoughts of the past, the future, or even this exercise. Shut down your internal narrator. This is really the mechanism you are training. Your attention is turned inwards, and now you have to shut down that active-thinking part of yourself that has hopes/plans. You must become a passive receiver and observer. But the nice part is that you don’t need to be particularly good at this, at first. This whole exercise is a feedback mechanism that will help you improve.
Now just wait patiently.
Whoa, what was that? Did you just hear a voice say something coherent, or hear some random babble, or hear a physical-sounding sound, or see a strange image? Stop, open your eyes, quickly write down what you observed, then go back to step 3. This is the heart of the training. You want to repeatedly go from a fully waking state (writing down your notes) to observing the hypnagogic data stream. You will find it gets faster and faster, easier and easier. We’re not struggling to empty our heads of all thoughts here--we are turning our attention elsewhere, to the hypnagogic stream. Once you get a feel for this you will be able to turn your attention in that direction in a matter of seconds.
Do this for half an hour or as long as you can stand.
Things to avoid
This isn’t an imagination exercise. This will not be your internal voice or mind’s eye. You will literally hear or see these things. You will have no (conscious) part in actually creating this. You hopefully know the difference between speaking to yourself in your head and hearing something that bubbles up without your intervention. You know the difference between imagining something and seeing it.
Do not stare at the random ‘phosphene’ information coming from your retinas. That’s information from your human eyeballs, and it will drown out the hypnagogic stream. Yes, you will sometimes get flashes of pareidolia (seeing faces or other recognisable shapes) if you stare at this phosphene information, but it’s not the same as hypnagogia.
Let me preempt the next question: “If my eyes are closed, how can I NOT look at the darkness behind my closed eyes?” Well, that’s what this whole exercise is designed to help with! I’m giving you something else to turn your attention towards. You will get a feel for it--turning away from your senses, truly turning inward and moving your attention elsewhere. Watching the darkness/phosphene display behind your closed eyes is not inward attention. That is physical sense data. You might as well have your eyes open. It can be hypnotic, it can lead to a trance state, but that’s not what we are doing here today.
In fact, you can do this exercise with your eyes open as a more advanced variation. When it works, you will notice that you do not notice anything that happens in front of you.
The fun part is looking back on some of the stuff that bubbles up. Here’s the output of my most recent session, for example:
A woman’s voice says “seven hours”.
A man says “the bit before ‘bedegummi’ starts the future here” (babble?)
I notice a metallic circular symbol (like a corporate logo). Almost missed that one as it passed by. A voice says “not yet.”
An Australian man says “It’s your turn to go back into the bushes and scratch another out”
I see an elephant god in gold/yellow thread on the back of a rug or curtain hanging across a doorway, in a narrow and dusty interior space
Someone says “add to a different area”
Someone says “I’ll talk to our salty Earthers”
So please try this exercise a few times and record what bubbles up!
Notes on a variation of the exercise
I’m just recording this addendum before I forget. I was practicing a variant of this exercise this morning.
Instead of just a flash of sound/imagery, or a moment of embodiment, you may find yourself in front of a kind of ‘interface’ where many images or many sentences can be seen and navigated through. This may present itself as a book (where you can flick through the pages and read the words) or a magazine (same idea, but with pictures) or something like Twitter where you can scroll. With practice, this can be triggered intentionally.
For the purposes of the previous exercise, I said don’t visualize, and don’t imagine. But you can use a little bit of visualization to prime the pump and create a scenario where the hypnagogic mechanism is forced to fill in a blank. For example, relax, close your eyes, and imagine yourself with a book in your hands. Try to imagine it with multiple senses...the feel of the cover, the smell of the paper. Now quickly open the book. Do not imagine what is on the page. You may need to repeat the act of closing and opening this imaginary book until the hypnagogic mechanism fills in the blanks. It eventually will, and the content can be quite surprising. You can even get yourself in a place where you can read the words out loud and record them, which sounds suspiciously like channeling.
You can do something similar by imagining yourself near a window or doorway. Quickly ‘peek’ though the doorway and your hypnagogic mechanism will fill in something for the far side. You can also imagine a simple geometric shape (a square for example), make it infinitely small, then quickly expand it in your mind’s eye. If you are in the right state, the content will be filled in.
(The question is, can you steer this mechanism? Can you choose what you want to see or hear? That would be useful, wouldn’t it?)
7. Some new tips for triggering and working with hypnagogia and the inner sound
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Hey folks,
As some of you will know, my main focus for the last while has been improving our understanding of the hypnagogic state. This is an exercise I direct people to quite often, so read that first if you haven’t already.
I’ll keep it quick, here are the new tips:
Improving your connection to the inner sound and inner energetic sensations seems to have a direct effect on the intensity and quality of hypnagogic visions, as well as how quickly they kick in.
Observe that the inner sound can be felt in different parts of the head (and beyond), and has different characteristics in each area.
In particular, I find that it goes like this, from the very top of my head to the base of my skull:
Upper brain area: directional swishing sounds, like the noise of leaves rustling. Developing the mental skill to access this quickly aids in access to hypnagogia and OBEs.
Central brain area: the purest, clearest tone of the inner sound. Work on your ability to access this under a range of circumstances, such as daily work, conversation, or listening to music.
Left/right ears: probably just actual tinnitus, learn to tell the difference!
Lower brain/base of skull: here you’ll find the more chaotic, gritty, grainy, noisy parts of the inner sound. I often liken this area to MP3 compression noise or a randomly moving phaser. Follow this sound as low as you can in your head; you might find it seems to reach the back of the throat, turning into more of an energetic sensation than a sound. Spending time with my attention here seems to induce hypnagogia for me. Perhaps it is some little fingernail grasp on the hypnagogic stream itself.
Deeper throat and chest thrumming--I believe this is a sub-sonic element of the inner sound. It is not your heartbeat, you can potentially feel both at once. This can become very intense in the pre-OBE state, leading to a lot of panic about ‘rapid heartbeats’. In the waking state it starts out very subtle but you can learn to feel for it, which will intensify it. I have seen again and again that accessing and intensifying this leads to faster access to the pre-OBE vibration state.
I’ve prepared a little audio guide to these sounds which might help you understand what I’m talking about (headphones required!). Note that these are my own imperfect renderings of the inner sounds...just use them as a rough guide.
Prepare your mind for hypnagogia by avoiding any engagement with active imagination, visualisation, or other forms of surface thought. Get out of the way!
The next tip is to stop treating your retinal phosphene field as an inner canvas. Stop staring forward. You are expecting a 2-dimensional image, like a picture or video on a screen, and possibly filtering anything that doesn’t meet that format! Your staring locks you in to a physical focus.
Instead, prepare your mind to receive visions in 3D. To do this, see your inner space as a 3D space. Yes, it’s still dark, nothing visually changes, but that’s fine. (When you feel your way around your room at night, you still think of the darkness as 3D rather than a 2D black canvas in front of you.) Here is an image that hopefully illustrates the difference.
You will find that a mind prepared this way (no staring, no 2D fixation) is more ready to receive hypnagogic visions.
Next, work on directing them. The tip here is to realise that the visions are not random, but should instead be treated as a kind of symbolic communication. Ask a question and wait for an answer. See what kind of responses you get.
Here’s one for example: I asked “show me something relevant for someone on the astral projection subreddit”.
Shortly afterwards I saw a man standing in a high street. A busker with a guitar. Behind him was a music shop packed with every instrument known to man. He said (quote) “I grow tired of making music on the outside”, and entered the shop. End of vision
That’s it. That’s a fun one to try, and post the result here if you like.
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8. Hypnagogic audio exercise: listen for those inner sound dips
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In this exercise, I want you to learn to reliably observe your awareness switching to a non-physical mode. To do this, we’ll use the inner sound as our guide.
If you are already working regularly with the inner sound or just a meditator who vaguely knows about it and can call it up, I’d also like confirmation that this ‘inner sound dip’ effect isn’t just me. I don’t recall reading about it elsewhere.
The Inner Sound
Many of us have spoken before about the inner sound in one way or another. (Read that post, and the linked posts within it--I promise it’ll be worth your time. Here are some more.) It is a fascinating phenomenon that (I think) we still barely understand. It seems strongly correlated with spiritual experiences, or even any train of thought that looks outside of this human context, like an internal compass leading us towards who-knows-what. (In one recent post a CE5 experiencer spoke of suddenly experiencing the inner sound while giving a lecture on his contact experiences--I’m trying to recall the user name, but I’m stumped right now, I’ll try to find it later.)
Personally, this inner sound is a constant companion in my head. I found it as a young boy and poked at it to the point that I’m permanently aware of it. You may or may not want this in your life. Certainly there are times where I forget it’s there and it is therefore gone from my awareness, but I can call it up instantly and intensify it with attention. Right now, for example, it is very bright and loud--a single high tone in the center of my head, with bubbling granular complexities that I feel deeper in my brain stem.
(Recently I had intensified it so much that something actually crunched inside my head, right in the center, like a knuckle cracking. I don’t know what it was, but it felt good, and I seem to be okay. Fhskjdh dh ehh? Odsjhs.)
A Key Observation
I quite often meditate using the inner sound as a focus. I do this at least once through the day and before sleeping at night. Something I observed long ago (but never thought to record!) was that the inner sound can be heard to dip entirely just ahead of hypnagogic audio. They are not heard at the same time. At least this goes for the really good stuff, the material with high information content and high clarity.
The whine dips to utter silence. My physical hearing goes at the same time. For me, it is like experiencing a moment of true vacuum. Therefore it works as a very powerful signpost that hypnagogic audio is incoming.
(It’s almost like the inner sound is either a test tone running in the hypnagogic audio stream, or some kind of blocker that must fall away before anything else can be heard. These are just theories and should be taken with a pinch of salt.)
The interesting thing about this ‘inner sound dip’ is that it can be heard very early in the relaxation process--sometimes a matter of 60 seconds in. Certainly within 3-5 minutes. When you’re aware that the short dip into true silence is a precursor to hypnagogic audio (which at this point I fully believe to be a non-physical audio signal of some kind) then you are prepared for the audio--which means that you catch it more reliably.
This therefore is an important missing piece that I’ll be adding to any future guide on triggering hypnagogic audio. The instant of silence. IMO it’s actually a lovely feeling to chase by itself. Now I’m interested in finding out if I can trigger this dip intentionally and holding it in that state for longer. (Being able to opt-in to hearing would be quite the trick.)
The Exercise
Bring up your inner sound. Explore some of the linked exercises from earlier in this post if you haven’t been able to do this yet.
Intensify it with your attention. But then, set it and forget it: don’t continue to intensify it. Just be gently aware of it.
Clear your mind, avoid thoughts of the past, future, your life, or your physical condition, as usual.
Now you might try mentally asking a question as a means of priming the non-physical audio stream. You may get something useful or interesting as a response. In a minute I’ll give you some examples.
Wait a moment...
Catch the dip! Did you hear a moment of silence? Did you feel the silence fill your head?
If you can catch the dip without reacting, you should now hear hypnagogic audio of one sort or another.
My own observations and next steps
I’ve been playing with this specifically for the last few days, in preparation for writing it up. I can catch those dips quite reliably, and if I ask a question ahead of time, I often get an answer of some sort. The nice thing is that the unmissable audio cue means that you can clearly tell this apart from your own auditory imagination--this isn’t just your own voice in your head, answering yourself with snippets of pop wisdom. You can clearly hear that this is audio from elsewhere. All the sound is suddenly sucked out of your world...and then comes the voice (or other audio).
I sometimes pair this with a visualization exercise where I extend a cartoon antenna from the top of my own head. I use this as a symbol to my subconscious to say “I want to access external audio.” I did this a couple of nights ago while my wife was asleep beside me in bed. I waited for the dip...
...and when it came, it was my wife’s voice. She said “BOO!” So, business as usual, our higher aspects continue to take the piss out of their Earthly counterparts.
Just tonight I did the same exercise while pondering a UFO I saw as a teenager. The memory is crystal clear: it was about 2-3am on a very clear and starry night, and I was in my back yard watching a ‘satellite’ cross the sky from the direction of the north east. It was a tiny point of light moving in a perfectly straight line. I had seen plenty of satellites over the years and I had no reason to believe it was anything else. When it just about reached zenith, it did an instant 90 degree turn to the north west, and drifted off in that new direction. This is not a thing that satellites can do. The fuel cost involved would be enormous and the burn would not be instantaneous. This was an instant 90 degree turn like the DVD screensaver bouncing off the side of the screen.
Anyhow, I asked my internal operator to pass a message to whoever or whatever that was to ask if they had anything they’d like me to pass along to us poor ignorant shit-kickers here on Earth. Sure enough I got an answer: the inner sound dipped to silence, and I received a very cool and calm man’s voice. He said:
“All is well.”
Connection closed right after (inner sound returned). Not exactly the Seth material but I’ll take it.
9. A hypnagogic steering exercise for you
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1kw9s5i/a_hypnagogic_steering_exercise_for_you/
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For the unfamiliar: hypnagogic visions are those sudden, vivid glimpses of imagery that we experience in a lightly altered state. These visions can come while you are still quite far from being physically asleep, making them an easy thing to study and experiment with. They can go as far as becoming stable and fully embodied environments, which is a whole other mode of out-of-body experience (though a tricky one to hold on to, as your body is still entirely awake).
Finding exercises to access these visions quickly (and as a secondary goal, controlling their content) is an area of great interest for me, and I’ve recently come up with this one that I want to get some of you to try for yourselves.
If I ask myself what the simplest form of hypnagogic vision is, it’s probably just a kind of diffuse inner light, sometimes white, sometimes golden. You will likely have noticed this yourself on the way down to sleep. That inner light is what we will try to reproduce on demand with this steering exercise. Chances are it will go further, but this is your initial aim.
Tactile imagination is a very strong instigator of these visions. It seems to be more powerful than visual imagination, though we can mix some of that in as well (and some auditory imagination). (If you are one of those people who believe you have aphantasia, don’t worry--I am not expecting you to literally see or literally feel what you imagine here. When the hypnagogic vision kicks in, you will literally see and feel it, but your part in the process is really just relaxing and priming the pump, making an imagined sensory space of a certain defined shape and waiting for the hypnagogic mechanism to fill it.)
That swelling inner light is a lot like the sensation of the sun emerging from behind a cloud while your eyes are closed. We’ve all (hopefully) experienced laying somewhere on some lazy afternoon and feeling the sun come and go from behind clouds--the heat on our skin, the light turning our vision golden and red. This is what I want you to try and mentally recreate.
You don’t have to imagine a whole setting. You’re laying on your back in the sun somewhere natural and peaceful, that’s all. Focus on your inner experience of this situation. To begin with, the sun is behind a cloud, it’s all gone a little bit dim. But these clouds are skimming by constantly, causing waves of swelling warmth on your skin and light in your eyes. You can hear a slight breeze. The air smells fresh--maybe you’re at the sea, maybe a garden. Try to hold these elements in your imagination simultaneously. The heat on your arm hairs, the breeze cooling them. The great pulses of light in your eyes. Maybe you can see blood vessels. Maybe allow yourself to open those imagined eyes and see the clouds parting, see the sun filling your mind. It’s not going to hurt your eyeballs, you can stare at this imagined sun, you can watch the clouds come and go.
Now reset and repeat the imagination exercise. The sun goes behind a cloud, now it emerges again. Keep going for ten, fifteen minutes.
My results:
The swelling golden light, brought up seemingly on demand after a few minutes of this
Sustained visions of an actual sun, actual clouds drifting across the sky, a moment of embodiment, the feeling of the sun’s rays filling my whole mind
I moved into a mode where I would repeatedly pulse this imagined moment of the clouds parting...clouds parting...clouds parting. This is what has led to the highly visual hypnagogia. So after you have ‘set the scene’, try that as well. It’s similar to other exercises I’ve suggested where you imagine yourself repeatedly opening and closing a door, without imagining what is on the other side.
I feel like this is universal enough (and similar enough to sensations that are already present--you’re already laying down, your mind already lights up by itself) that this should be reproducible. So please, have a go and let me know how it turns out for you. I come back from these sessions feeling very refreshed and energized, I’d be curious to know how you feel afterwards (if anything). ‘Failure’ is also interesting for me, so if nothing happens for you, please describe what you tried and the conditions you did it under.
10. Some findings with regards to hypnagogic flashing/share your experiences
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1nl3ebl/some_findings_with_regards_to_hypnagogic/
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I think a lot of us will have seen this so I’m interested in hearing your experiences.
Quite often after waking, or on the way down to sleep, you’ll experience a soft flashing in the center of your mind’s eye. Like a pale white strobe behind a thin black curtain. It can be brighter than that, but for me this is the most common appearance of the effect. The flashing takes up about 1/8th to 1/3rd of the visual field. It seems to have an edge to it. The shape of this edge changes with each flash. The flashing occurs at a rate of about 2-5 Hz, with a sharp onset for each flash followed by a decay.
It can be tricky to watch because you’ll be tempted to look with your eyes, which of course will take priority over your non-physical vision sense and you’ll just end up staring into darkness/phosphenes. I’m going to assert for the record here that these flashes are hypnagogic/non-physical in nature, and not another variety of phosphene light. They are seen by turning your attention away from physical vision. You continue to see them by maintaining the delicate balance of looking elsewhere. In this sense they are a great exercise for remaining in a hypnagogic/visionary state.
What I found recently is that a sustained hypnagogic vision can hide behind these flashes. In one example, I was watching the flashes play out, and then in each “flash” I saw a man apparently looking back at me. He was an asian man in what looked like a traffic officer’s uniform (short sleeved blue-grey shirt, white gloves). Slightly round face, sparse moustache. I saw him from slightly above, with a slight fish-eye lens effect. What was interesting to me was that the vision behind the flash was consistent. It wasn’t a new image in each flash. It was like I was right on the edge of tuning into the vision mechanism, and something (somewhere) was flipping back and forth, vacillating between seeing/not seeing at a rate of 2-5 Hz.
I think this is a notable observation. First, that the flashes are indeed hypnagogic in nature and not a physical vision artefact. The pale white/grey seems to be the appearance of your hypnagogic vision system tuned to nothing in particular. Then the vision emerges from this, replacing the pale white flash with a coherent scene.
If you’d like to practice ‘turning away’ from physical vision, I would suggest using imagination, or recalling a visual memory. This occurs in a place that is outside of physical vision. While you’re in that state of imagination or recall, you don’t notice your physical vision, unless you turn your awareness back to it. But once you have a feel for it, you can hold your attention there without imagining or remembering anything. This leads to the hypnagogic flashes and visions after a matter of seconds, literally 10-20 seconds of sustained looking-away.
(This is also great practice for the awareness state you want to be in for AP, turning away from physical senses. In fact, since myself and many others have jumped directly into embodiment via hypnagogic visions, it suggests a second path, one that’s very delicate but potentially faster.)
Anyhow I’m curious to see if your experience with this hypnagogic strobing is similar to mine (or different).
11. Cutting through delirium with an intention
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If you spend enough time working on the edge of sleep, you’ll become familiar with vivid, stable hypnagogic images/sounds/sensations. These are the sort of visions you can stop and write down in your notebook. Some muddy, some clear, but something you can comprehend.
I’m not talking about those in this post. I’m talking about the other type of spontaneous thought--the nonsense that feels like a thought, feels like it would maybe make sense if you could only grasp the whole thing at once, but lacks a foundation in reality. The indescribable idea. The vision that doesn’t quite fit in your human head. Sometimes these strange thought-like things repeat and slowly mutate on timescales of years, you’ll have running themes that feel familiar, but still you can’t properly describe them afterwards.
As far as I can tell, these delirious thoughts aren’t useful, there is no actual 4-D Towers of Hanoi puzzle made of dark matter asteroids and chocolate biscuits to solve. So how can we make use of this state? How can we navigate it? What levers and buttons can we push here?
Well, if you can learn to identify these thoughts (without bouncing back up to full waking awareness), you can cut right through them with an idea of your own. Here’s one I use: great, but I’m actually just looking to astral project...
You may find (as I do) that weathering one of these strange thoughts and coming out the other side intact will leave you immediately in the pre-OBE state. Perhaps these thoughts are designed to scramble and nullify our minds before sleep!
The fun part is, you can often hit this ‘dead end’ of chaotic thought long before you would hit stable hypnagogic visions, and long before you would normally hit the body-asleep stage. (Am I alone in this observation?) If you can cut sideways through it, you can forget about the rest of the process--you’ll be out.
Please share any observations you’ve had, or any work you’ve done with that strange mental state.
12. Give me your strange one-liners from the other side
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Whether it came in a dream, a lucid dream, an OBE, or a hypnagogic vision; what are some strange and memorable snippets of information (or information-flavoured nonsense) that you’ve read or otherwise been told?
I had a good one last night. I had a failed OBE attempt where I ended up in a lucid dream scenario. I wasn’t quite lucid enough to remember that I was in bed attempting an OBE, so there was no dream-dissolving moment, but I was lucid enough to explore the environment and experiment. The environment in this case was my own room (and yes, it’s possible for a dream environment to just be a dream environment, and it’s possible to know the difference).
One of my frequent experiments involve bringing up interfaces or terminals and interacting with the environment that way, trying to run commands or ‘ls’ to see files...just to see what gets conjured up. That’s what I do in my day-to-day life so as a model for interacting with my subconscious it works pretty well.
This time I ended up pulling up an email interface when I opened my ‘terminal window’, containing a list of unopened mails.
In the middle of the list was this all-caps message, marked as important:
(!) THE LIMITS OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS ARE NOT ALL ABOUT PERCEPTION
It genuinely set me thinking about how much weight we put on outward experiencing, expecting that consciousness exploration is just about new sensations, when in fact perception is just one aspect of consciousness.
Or perhaps it was a message that we have limits on our consciousness (as part of the human package) in the same way that we have limits on our perception!
The funniest interpretation is that this is an unread bit of preparatory material, something from the human-embodiment brochure...
Edit: thanks for sharing so far folks, some great ones there!
13. sac_boy’s AP Diary #3: Wait, was that a chakra?
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I thought I would start recording some experiences here as they may be illuminating for beginners and experienced folks alike. The format will lean towards short and sweet. I’m mostly just going to pick out whatever I thought was interesting about a given outing. Personal rule: no dreams, and generally no spontaneous nighttime OBEs unless I’m certain I am at full awareness and in an external astral environment. As a result these will be mostly direct OBEs of the actually-shucking-out-of-your-body type.
Conditions: Feb 20th, early morning (3-4am). I was already quite well rested from a nap earlier on Saturday. Feeling a bit odd over the last few days, dehydrated with a feeling like I have a permanent mild hangover headache, but I’m not sick. Drinking lots of water anyhow. Couldn’t get over to sleep in main bedroom (wife noises) so moved into the spare room for some peace and quiet.
Method: experimented with frisson by playing uplifting music in my head, combined with long in-breaths through my nose just as the energetic sensation of frisson peaked, which has the effect of intensifying and driving the energy further up my body and into my head. Once it reaches my head it causes the inner sound to brighten significantly each time, which I know from past experience can lead directly to OBE vibrations. I laid on my side in a sleeping position and repeated this process until the explosion of vibrations arrived.
This is another entry which is mostly about the method and the sensations around the vibration stage rather than the OBE itself.
I have always remained chakra agnostic--despite my many OBEs I’ve never consciously interacted with one, or seen one, or felt one. I have intentionally not been looking for them, just in case something chakra-like did turn up, so that I might have a chance of observing the sensations with some objectivity. The energy I feel in my body does not feel like it travels along any particular path in its journey from my pelvic area to my head--it’s more of a continuous wash of tingling power, perhaps slightly concentrated in the spine but certainly not limited to it.
(I’ve never consciously interacted with my liver, while I’m pretty sure I have one. Perhaps the chakra model is correct. I’m open to it.)
Last night was unusual in that I clearly felt a ring around my head during the vibration stage which felt like it bristled with the frisson energy I’d been raising on the way down to sleep. It had a tickling, moving feeling, like the ring was slowly rotating around my skull (anti-clockwise if viewed from the top down). Imagine a bunch of tiny soft fingers caressing your skin, or the tips of soft feathers, all of them moving randomly within a band about one inch in depth, with the whole band rotating slowly around your head. The band maybe completes one revolution in half a minute.
The OBE itself was unremarkable and short--I stood by my window for a few seconds until my vision kicked in, then went across the hall to look at my wife in bed, then lost coherence and returned to my body and the vibration state.
That new sensation though--that feels like textbook crown chakra, according to anything I’ve read on the matter (which is unfortunately usually all theory with very little on the practical side). Strange that it would take 20+ years for me to notice it.
As an aside, I recently (a few months ago) had an OBE where I was met at my door by a guide and taken to a shop (which I took to be a barber shop at the time) where the proprietor applied something like a TENS machine to my scalp, and gave me a series of significant zaps. At the time I joked that it was some kind of astral baldness treatment, but in retrospect the only one saying that was me.
Since then, the frisson energy I feel has been more intense, to the point where hearing an uplifting track will make me feel intense frisson from my toes right up to my hairline. It seems to stop (or transform into something more subtle) in a band just above my eyes.
14. AP Diary: a psychological drama
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1j0iz3l/ap_diary_a_psychological_drama/
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Paraphrased context: Original post by sac_boy; no outside question.
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I went to my spare room straight after work today for an AP session. To describe the conditions: the room is small but gets a lot of sun, with a double bed that currently has two mattresses stacked on it, both pretty new. The extra mattress puts my sleeping position about level with the windowsill. I have one extra-firm memory foam pillow (good for back sleeping) and a couple of thin blankets as I make most of my AP attempts fully clothed. The room is otherwise empty apart from a wall of mirrored wardrobes. I start my AP sessions inverted in the bed, with my feet towards the window (the head of the bed) and my head at the foot of the bed.
The technique was a simple letting go/weightless mind approach, and worked quickly.
When I found myself out of the body, the room presented as quite dark. I made the decision to experiment with my physical body (or at least its local representation). This is a good way to exercise control over returning to the body. As with most things in this practice, you have to re-evaluate your assumptions often and steer into whatever you might instinctually avoid. I’ve been avoiding interactions with my physical body for years.
With two hands I felt the bony contours of my own forehead and face. It was strange to feel an adult man’s face from that angle, but everything felt about right. I did not automatically return to the body, and I did not feel like I had to resist any kind of pull.
Thats when things took a turn:
My (apparent) physical body swung its legs out of bed and stood up. It was me, my body, my clothes. He looked very angry. Having never seen myself like this, I was suprised at how imposing I looked.
“He” immediately reached out and grabbed me by the throat. I could very clearly feel his thumbs pushing into my neck, strangling me. He (I) pushed me against the wall of the bedroom, murderous rage in his (my) eyes.
Then snap, I was back in bed. No lingering sensation of strangulation, everything conventionally re-integrated.
How strange though! What kind of strange new psychological drama is this? An interaction with the physical body accidentally spawning some kind of thought-form, perhaps? A symbolic message of conflict between the physical and no-physical? A literally real aspect of myself rejecting interaction with the physical body?
It’s probably the strangest bedroom-level interaction I can remember...
15. Itches, arachnophobia, and body-focus spirals
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: fear that itches during practice might be insects.
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Itching tips for most Redditors:
Tidy up empty drinks cups, dirty plates, ashtrays, drug paraphernalia etc from around mattress
Mattress should be raised off floor on to a bed frame/divan
Don’t sleep directly on your mattress, use a fitted sheet
Bedsheets/blankets should not be touching your floor
Clean bedsheets and pillow cases more often than annually, that big yellowing area isn’t normal
Clean body regularly
Don’t let a big hairy heap of pets sleep on your bed
Advanced tips for the 1% elite who already pass all the above tests:
Scrub with dry towel after shower (ideally line-dried, but definitely no waxy dryer sheets)
See if you experience a link between artificial sweeteners and itching, I know I do. I can’t drink diet coke anymore for example.
At that point your bed should be off the floor, spider and flea-free, and any itching should be reduced...
Another thing you might try is just getting over your fear of spiders (assuming you’re not Australian). Be the one who volunteers to pick them up and take them outside when you find them around the house. Or just leave them if they aren’t getting in the way! I don’t exactly love spiders crawling on me either but ever since I realized they have thoughts and little personalities I’ve had no problem letting them crawl up on a tissue or bit of cardboard to take them outside. Try talking to them if you spot them around the house.
P.S. I don’t know how useful the “ignore the itching” advice really is. I say scratch if you need to scratch, especially in the first ten minutes or so, but do it absent-mindedly, in the way you normally might do when you’re just going to sleep at night.
16. Inferred: beginner practice
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1ft67dv/the_itching/lpq3eyp/
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Might be time to address why you’re so itchy. Clean your bedclothes, scrub yourself with a rough towel after a shower, and cut out the artificial sweeteners for a while.
Other than that...it’s not a question of ignoring itches. That’s clearly just going to drive you crazy. It’s a matter of scratching while ignoring the fact you had to scratch.
17. Fear and entities, and the astral body
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Just for context I’ve never seen or felt a cord in 23 years of doing this. My guess is that it’s a symbol of your connection to the physical body, or perhaps even your physical identity. We are operating in a realm of symbols made solid, so the fact it’s a symbol doesn’t make it ‘not real’, but treating it as symbolic might make some things make more sense.
So--treating the cord as symbolic--I would go further and treat anything appearing with the cord as symbolic too. It could be that your own sense of identity is shifting, progressing towards something more open than just your immediate sense of self. A sensation of pain, or the cord around your waist in a circle (and restricting you) could be a symbolic message that your own sense of identity is somehow restricting progress. It’s up to you to interpret it properly for yourself. For instance, if you have made any recent assertions to try and be more like your everyday human self out there while rejecting any other possibility (making any other type of awareness unacceptable), the restrictions of your cord might be a message in response. The human self only goes so far.
There was a spirit that came to me that said he was going to mess up my projections so maybe it could be that.
Only you (and/or your wider self-system) can mess up your projections; by letting a negative suggestion like this remain in your mind, you are doing this spirit’s job for them. It could well be that this was a test to see how you would react.
18. Recognizing the actual vibration state
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/10m4az0/what_does_it_look_like/j642746/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: whether seeing only eyelids and feeling vibrations counts as AP progress.
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I couldn’t go beyond the vibration.
Have you actually hit the vibrations? See my description here. If you’re actually at the vibrations then you don’t need me to describe anything to you, it’s time to just get up and go. My guess is you’ve fallen into the (very very common) trap of thinking that various bodily sensations associated with normal relaxation are the vibrations. You have to go beyond that. Your body will be asleep.
let’s say you looked at the cars on the street outside the house while you were doing astral travel
So much has been written about this already. Plenty of times I have stepped out of my house and seen my normal, very domestic surroundings. Other times I have stepped out and it’s my street, but there’s a whole other city on the horizon--because space doesn’t work exactly like it works here. People talk about astral locations like a bunch of stacked layers, but they flow into each other. Another consensus reality inhabited by real, thinking, living beings might be grafted on to the near-astral version of your town.
Or any other such proof
Ooh yes. Big, solid proof handed directly to me by a guide. But it’s a story I’m maybe getting tired of telling on this sub and it might not actually be good for your progress (it might help if you go into this believing it’s not real). Go ahead and take the first steps then come back with that new perspective. Note that it might take weeks or months of effort. Once you’ve actually just stood by your bedside for second or two...or put your head through the glass of your window and felt its internal texture, looked around outside...then come back with the next batch of questions.
19. How separation feels when it starts
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: how to know when AP has started and what separation feels like.
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If you can move body parts (more than just a floaty feeling in your limbs--if you can actually move them), you can pull yourself out completely. Something I did early on (which I really don’t hear people talk about) is I would reach out and grab furniture near my bed, and use that for leverage. At least once the furniture was on the other side of the room, so it doesn’t need to literally be within human reach. So if you can reach a nearby surface, you can force yourself out. But you don’t need those theatrics (at least after the first few times), when you’re in the correct state you can just sit up in bed and walk away.
Early on the correct state was accompanied by very powerful ‘vibrations’...but I would hesitate to call an exploding head of electric noise a ‘vibration’, because the word is misleading. I wrote this bit about the vibrations yesterday, see if you recognise any of these sensations:
It can feel like any of the following:
Being plugged into mains electricity
Being dipped in crashing waves of static electricity that explode in your head
A gentle rustling sound/feeling in your head, like someone kicking dry leaves
You may not notice it at all
But it’s either a FULL FREQUENCY RANGE HOLY SHIT or it’s high pitched. It’s never just low frequencies (like sub bass rumbling, gentle swaying). If you know what a high pass filter sounds like, it’s like a high pass over huge waves of noise. If the high pass is fully open, you feel the whole spectrum. If the high pass cutoff moves upwards, you experience less and less of the low end. Over time people seem to feel less and less of the low end energy, but at first you’ll probably get the full spectrum experience.
I don’t really get those intense vibrations anymore, so I just have to recognise the right moment, and that comes from experience (from direct APs where I did have the vibrations). Another trick I use is that I try to maintain a constant forward pressure, a very slight and gentle urging that almost-but-not-quite activates muscles from my core upwards. I will myself forward and up, a bit like using astral flight--but on the way down to sleep. That way, as soon as the transition happens, I’m out at the earliest possible moment!
The transition to bodily sleep can happen far sooner and easier if you aren’t constantly trying to scan your body for sense information, looking for (physical) sensory clues about when you can AP. Set an intention (even a quasi-physical one like I just mentioned) and forget the physical body and all its sensations. Lean forwards internally, mentally, and leave the body to do whatever it wants.
20. Electric zaps as the vibration stage
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/11rrt7k/electricity_zaps/jca3rys/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: intense electric zapping sensations during the vibration stage.
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That is the vibration stage, when we talk about the vibration stage. Anything prior to that is just (probably physical) wobbling.
The word “vibration” is really not quite right and leads to this misconception that every little physical wobble or neural tingle is a sign of the pre-AP vibrations. It’s probably the most persistent/damaging misconception in this sub, at least among AP aspirants. Every single day we get someone posting “I can feel the vibrations but I can’t exit!” when they are most likely just laying there awake feeling their own heartbeat or imperfect physical nerves for the first time.
21. Bed vibrations versus AP vibrations
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: weak vibrations and thumps immediately after lying in bed.
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That’s your heart interacting with your wobbly flesh body and the springs of your bed. Certain heart rates set up resonances with your muscles and your bedsprings, and people mistake them for something significant all the time. You’re just paying attention maybe for the first time. It’s not the pre-OBE vibrations.
22. Vibrations, the rope technique, and practice timing
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/11nhh9x/questions_about_ap/jbon7pe/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: astral projection. Immediate reply context: vibrations, the rope technique, and practice timing.
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You can AP in any comfortable position, but a lot of people have more success on their back (and I definitely did early on) because it’s a slightly unusual sleeping position for them.
When you reach the vibration stage, it’s a huge sensation (especially early on)--like having crashing waves of static electricity rush through your body and explode in your head, at a high rate. Wait with it calmly for a moment, see if the intensity and frequency increases, then just get up and walk away. It might be a struggle early on. In my early days I used nearby furniture to pull myself out.
Note: some people don’t get (or notice) the vibrations at all, but can still AP. For me now they are barely a rushing in my head, like the whoosh of someone kicking dry leaves.
23. Bright light, eye opening, and early sensations
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: eyes opening after bright inner light and body sensations.
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i see this warm bright light (its like a sunlight hitting closed eyes, which in reality the room is fully dark)
Great sign
and feel strange vibrations around my body
I’d bet these are normal physical sensations you are simply noticing for the first time. Our bodies are made of wobbly electric jelly and our brains are trained from birth to ignore all the tingling and wobbling. But when you pay attention, you realize that the whole body shakes and tingles constantly in waves. However this is not the type of vibration we talk about as significant for astral projection.
The internal light comes very early in the process (it can appear just minutes after closing your eyes, with your body still fully awake) and the vibrations, the ones that matter, come at the end, just before the moment of separation. Any physical sensations between those two points can be ignored.
my eyes are always opening in some strange way
Not tired enough? Do you take any artificial stimulants (coffee, ADHD meds, etc?) My guess is that you’re actually staring forward into the space in front of your eyes--paying attention to your visual field, in other words, telling your eyes that their input is currently important. This is a valid practice in itself but it has a tendency to cause the eyelids to want to open. You might want to weigh them down slightly with an eye mask (for years I just used a rolled-up t-shirt laid across my eyes). Just a tiny weight on your eyelashes is enough to keep your eyes comfortably closed.
Here’s another tip that might help...we have a tendency to think of the darkness in front of our eyes as some vast space, but instead I want you to think of that darkness as something small, shoebox-sized or smaller, right in front of you. Like it’s a small screen held close to your face, you aren’t peering into some vast cave. This can help your eyes to relax and it can also help shift your attention away from that ‘small’ visual field and towards non-physical visual data.
does it mean i’m not ready yet?
AFAIK there is no physical or mental difference between myself now (after hundreds of APs) and myself as a teenager (zero APs). The only difference is attitude and knowledge about these internal processes. Nothing had to be made ready. No gate had to be opened for me. No test had to be passed. Astral projection has always been just a tiny nudge of consciousness away (and everything else is just us getting in the way with our need for process and technique).
24. Swinging sensations, colors, and proximity to AP
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/10lpnl9/how_close_am_i_to_ap/j5ymovx/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: numbness, swinging sensations, colors, and how close they are to AP.
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like swinging back and forth (idk if that’s the “vibration” here to confirm)
This is just relaxation and the beginning of losing physical body awareness. Not the vibrations. A good sign on the road, but not the destination!
start to see colors and semi vivid pictures in my eye
You could be describing phosphene imagery (common even when 100% awake in normal life) or hypnagogic imagery (usually comes after some relaxation and disconnection from the physical senses). Good signs though. Just relax and watch it all go by.
suddenly my heart beat raises and I panic
This is common as well. Two things could be going on; first, there is a phantom rapid heartbeat that isn’t your real heart. It’s an energetic thrumming felt in the chest. This is very common especially early on for new projectors, and a lot of people get disrupted by it. Just relax and let it pass.
Another possibility is that it’s your real heart and you are actually having a fear response because you still have unprocessed fears about what you are about to do. Your real heartbeat is much deeper than the phantom heartbeat and you should be able to feel/measure a rapid pulse.
You might also stay away from caffeine or other stimulants for a while.
how close am I to AP?
The thing is, we’re all just minutes away from AP if we could find the right mental attitude! But realistically you are maybe 60-70% there in the classic direct OBE relaxation process. The next step would be full bodily sleep and the real vibrations (optional), with the ability to sit up and leave your body.
25. Failing to feel vibrations
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/10dbh7z/i_am_failing_to_feel_vibrations/j4ku0eo/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: expecting vibrations during a guided AP attempt.
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The vibrations come after your body is asleep.
Any tingling or vibration you feel before then is just a bodily sensation (people new to this expect vibrations far earlier in the process, and mistake normal low-level bodily sensations for the pre-AP vibrations).
My advice: drop the video, and stop imagining stuff. You are currently too mentally active for this process to work. You’re just laying there awake listening to a video. You need to just relax and let go while holding on to the thinnest possible thread of consciousness--which will then be restored to full awareness when you hit the real vibrations. The real skill you are developing here is a gentle hold on your awareness, gentle enough that your body can sleep.
Let go of plans, expectations for the session, thoughts of the past or future, and any self-recrimination for failing at any of this. Smile at the start of your session, just be happy to be there, thankful for the opportunity whether it works or not.
Note that violent/loud vibrations may not even happen for you, it differs from person to person and can evolve based on experience. At the start my vibrations were like being strapped to a 747 engine on takeoff, but now it’s just a gentle swelling of white noise in my head, or nothing at all. But in any case you will know when it’s time to move.
26. Waking vibrations and the body
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/160bz15/anyone_get_waking_vibrations/jxqff0a/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: feeling low vibrations while fully awake.
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You should experiment with finding your heart vibrations while awake. First of all, find your own heartbeat--it’s a great example of something we are blind to most of the time, simply through sheer familiarity.
Between the beats, maybe 3-5 times faster (but not necessarily in sync!) you might find a second reverberation centred in your chest. Get familiar with this and you can use it as a meditative focus, draw it out, draw it up to meet the tone in your head.
I wonder how many people feel this and pathologise it, try to treat it as a disorder.
27. Noisy chaos before leaving the body
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/10isjjl/chaos_before_leaving_body/j5jbhv6/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: loud voices and confusing sounds before separation.
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Hard to know. It does feel like you are receiving actual data from somewhere at the time. It could be simply that we become open to a wide range of psychic radiation...a bit like a radio but picking up sounds and events from elsewhere.
I’ve had a full conversations in this state with someone people who reported that they were in the same state as me (as I recall, they thought they were asleep, something like that). A bit like talking on a CB radio. They gave me their name and everything.
I’ve heard radio stations that don’t exist on Earth, playing music that doesn’t exist. Even got a shout-out on one.
Once, last year, I heard the sounds of a battle raging around me--the clash of weapons and shields, the shouts of maybe 40-50 men (and maybe a few higher-pitched voices), the heavy shuffling of feet. I also heard them take a rest and murmur to each other in a language I didn’t speak, as if there was a lull in the action and they were planning their next move. Then they returned to the melee. I could hear the air around them. Like the sound even had the correct reverb for an outside location. I just laid and listened to that rather than leaving my body, because it was such a fascinating phenomenon. At the time I was fully aware of my surroundings (closed-eye vision of my bedroom).
28. Possible assistance during hypnagogia
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: a possible visitation or assistance during the hypnagogic state.
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It seems that it’s not unusual to have at least one experience (before your first full AP) where you are beckoned by someone or something, invited to get up and move in some way, when you are on the edge of AP. Likely a guide interaction.
I had something like that happen to me for my first conscious separation when I was about 18--no lion head involved though. I fell into a vivid dreamlet on the edge of AP. I was stood in the dark with a steep flight of stairs in front of me, with a warm light at the top. It was like standing in a dark basement with the door to the house open. There was a man in the doorway, seen mostly in silhouette--bald-headed, big grin--and he waved for me to come up.
As soon as I took a step the vision dissolved, and I had that weightless lurching feeling you get when you miss a stair in the dark (ever think there’s one more stair, you take a stair-sized step into the air, and your foot finds nothing?) I swung upwards, rotating 90 degrees at my hips with my legs through the bed...I was out of my body consciously for the first time (as an adult, anyway). I was able to look at my hands and say “whoa!”. It didn’t last long but it was all I needed to keep going and my first full separation was within a week.
29. Falling sensations
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Remember that the sensation of weightlessness is indistinguishable from falling, without other sensory information to orient yourself. So the moment of going weightless feels exactly like you’re a little monkey falling out of its tree, and our primate programming kicks in to grab on to whatever’s nearby. That primate programming has specifically evolved to wake us from the edge of sleep, because that’s when we would fall from our trees. So it’s a tough one to get over.
When astral separation happens naturally, without forcing it, the astral body bobs upwards out of the physical body like a cork in water. It’s like it is ejected and pushed upwards.
So consider that the ‘pull’ may well be an upward push (from within) and the ‘fall’ is probably just weightlessness, a lack of acceleration in any direction. Knowing this might help.
I still get that sudden shock (some call it a ‘hypnic jerk’) all the time. It doesn’t really get easier. I imagine if you were in the right mindset you could just ride it on out, because it really is just weightlessness and not falling, but it has a habit of coming pretty early in the process when you are unprepared for it.
30. Beginner practice, and astral vision
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: beginner practice, and astral vision.
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Haha, welcome to astral projection! Yes, it sounds like you were pulled out, and this is surprisingly common...and when it happens, it’s very often by the feet. In all likelihood this was a guide/helper who took the opportunity to pull you out while you were already in the correct state.
Bizarre isn’t it? It’s the most bizarre thing. It’s happened to me.
I was a teenager at the time, I’d just started getting into astral projection (I was maybe a year in, I had a couple of direct OBEs under my belt) and I was sleeping on my stomach in the middle of the night. I felt myself shift down the bed by a couple of inches. I was half asleep, so I just grumbled and pulled myself back into place. Then I felt myself shift down maybe six inches. I pulled myself up again.
Then I felt this almighty grip on my ankles, a huge pull, and I FLEW backwards out of my bed, bouncing off the bedroom wall. There was a guy standing there, glowing white and blue, wearing robes with complex geometric patterns. Bald guy (a bit like myself now). He had the biggest friendly, satisfied grin on his face.
In a panic I raised a fist and shouted at him, because I hadn’t quite come to my senses. It was a jolt! He collapsed his astral form into a tiny point of light and disappeared out through my plug socket. As this happened I realised I had been helped, so I shouted an apology after him, but it was too late. All I could do was laugh.
Fun eh? And if you hang out here you’ll see a report like yours every month or two.
31. Flashes of light while almost asleep
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: closed-eye light flashes near sleep.
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Depends what you mean really. We’re all awash in biological sense phenomena most of the time, and some of those are pretty impressive (the shifting wash of phosphene light from your retinas/physical brain, for example). And it can overlap; phosphenes can seem to converge into solid images, or have genuine clairvoyant visions overlaid on them. Then at other times all this biological information gets shut down and you see clearly.
I regularly get these moments on the way down to sleep that feel like an inner sunrise. It can be weak flashes of silvery light that come from above or below my visual field, or strong strobing, or it can be a moment of strong, dazzling golden light that comes like a realization rather than a vision. Like you’ve been bathed in this warm light all along and you’ve only just noticed. This often comes before strong imagery or submersion in an another place entirely.
32. Using the inner sound for psi development
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: whether to consciously sustain the inner sound or ear-ringing tone.
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Search the sub for inner sound. I’ve done a lot of work around it.
It is not tinnitus and anyone who has known both can learn the difference. I’ve been manipulating the inner sound since I was a child of single digit years old. I’ve also had occasional bouts of tinnitus because I work in sound.
My guess though is that, like a lot of things, it is widely mis-identified (and self-diagnosed) and/or pathologized by doctors who don’t know better.
33. Beginner practice, and the inner sound
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: beginner practice, and the inner sound.
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Tinnitus is more of an ear thing, often heard in one ear other other, or heard at different pitches in each ear. This inner sound (for me at least) is central to the audio field. Almost feels more like a high electric buzz in the middle of my physical brain.
I also get an occasional bout of tinnitus (I do sound engineering and I have to be careful to keep the volume down or it’ll trigger it) and I can quite easily differentiate between the two. But that’s maybe not easy if you already have actual tinnitus and you’re trying to locate this more subtle sound.
It’s more intense than tinnitus when you actually find it. But getting a handle on it for the first time would be difficult. I’ve been lucky enough to have heard it from a very young age, long before any ear damage, so I’ve always been able to ‘locate’ it in my head.
I’m also pretty sure a lot of people hear this inner sound and they write it off as tinnitus because that’s the only point of reference they have.
34. Breathing methods
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Some tips for working with the inner sound:
Simply pay attention to it at different times of day in different scenarios. Try to find it in a busy crowd, or while listening to a podcast--the exercise of finding it over distractions is the same as amplifying it during quiet situations.
You’ll only be able to ‘amplify’ it to a certain point while fully awake, then you’ll get decreasing returns. My advice--just set it and forget it. Don’t try to force it. It’ll become THE VIBRATIONS all by itself later.
Frisson energy will amplify it immediately. If there’s a song that gives you goosebumps and tingles, sing that to yourself internally and you should feel the same energy. Eventually just thinking about the feeling of frisson will be enough. Draw it up into your head and notice how powerfully the inner sound responds. A long slow intake of breath can help here too.
Raw loudness is not necessarily what you’re after. Try to feel out the edges of the sound, seemingly located deeper in your physical brain. Feel how it bubbles and rasps, like MP3 compression noise. Follow that sound for a while.
Try to find your heart vibrations. Amplify your inner sound, then find your physical heartbeat from within. Pay attention to any sensation between the beats. You may notice a reverberation at 2-5x your heart rate, and not necessarily in sync. Some people panic when they feel this later in the relaxation process, so it’s good to get a hold of it and try to manipulate it early. Connecting the heart and the inner sound (by holding both in your attention) seems to have power, though I haven’t explored it fully yet.
Fun story re: frisson energy--I had an OBE a couple of years ago where a guide met me at my front door and took me to a kind of barber shop in an astral town. The barber ran some kind of electric gun over my scalp (think TENS machine) which left me tingling. At the time they joked about it regrowing hair...but ever since then, my frisson energy sensations have reached the very top of my scalp, to the point where it feels like my skin is about to wrinkle up like a fingertip in the bath. I can’t listen to some songs without almost entirely freezing up and blissing out. Before that it always stopped somewhere around my neck.
35. Ringing in the ears on waking
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/17vocmo/waking_up_to_ringing_in_ears/k9ceav3/
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: loud ringing during mild sleep paralysis or waking.
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Search the sub for ‘inner sound’ and you’ll find a load of past conversations about it.
You actually have access to this sound at all times (even in busy and noisy waking life) once you know how to tune into it. It is related to the pre-AP vibration state, but how exactly I still don’t know (is it just a byproduct of mental activity, or a kind of guiding tone to help you find the right mental state?) Generally if I am meditating, preparing for AP, or just hoping for some interesting dreams I will find and intensify the sound first (sustained attention will intensify it).
It could be a bit like the exhaust from a car engine. You can hear the exhaust from 20 meters away, you feel the vibration of the engine if you touch the bonnet of the car, but you can’t actually go somewhere until you sit behind the wheel, select a gear and hit the accelerator. So the important part is the driver’s seat and the controls, and the engine vibration and exhaust tone are secondary. Doing exercises to try and listen real hard to the sound of the engine might be completely useless. But I suspect there’s more to it than that.
Some people mistake it for tinnitus (and I’m sure there are millions of people out there who are medicating themselves for tinnitus when they are simply hearing this sound). It’s not ear damage. It’s not located in one ear or the other. It is central to the mental audio field. One big difference is that your awareness of the tone will go away when you aren’t focused on it, it shouldn’t become mentally distracting or annoying.
36. Blacking out during awake methods
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Paraphrased context: Original post context: losing continuity during meditation or awake AP methods.
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So what happens is I’ll be focusing on my breathing then after getting through the normal monkey brain phase after roughly 15 minutes I’ll then have totally random thoughts unrelated to my everyday life(thats the general feeling I get anyway even though I cant remember them) and I’ll have no control over stopping it then. When I snap out of I’ll have no memory of what my thoughts were. I’m definitely not falling asleep as well cos I’m sitting up straight when it happens to me if I’m just meditating.
This is normal and I have written a bit about it (I’ll try and add the link after I post this reply). You have simply become aware of the ineffable, sometimes strange and confusing forms of thought that lie beneath our everyday mental chatter. Fever-dream stuff. The trick here is to get used to it, accept it and let it pass, don’t struggle to try and understand it (you can enter a cycle of “huh, what was that?” that brings you repeatedly back to normal waking consciousness).
Just try and encompass it...allow it in, be there in those bizarre and indescribable thoughts for a while. You will pass through them quickly. We ‘black out’ when we either resist those thoughts or try to put them into words after the fact. The reality is that we do not lose consciousness here, it’s just that consciousness itself bends into a shape that is not usually compatible with our everyday waking minds. (However it can be internally consistent and even have recurring themes, recurring puzzles to ‘work out’.)
It’s so alien that people (even meditators) can go years without even realizing that this type of chaotic ‘thought’ exists, simply because we don’t have suitable labels for it. The fact that you have identified it for yourself is a great sign.
For me it often comes long before hypnagogia, in the first minutes after closing my eyes. Getting better at dealing with it--accepting, passing through, understanding what you can without judgement--leads to faster access to the kind of hypnagogic imagery and sound that we can report back with clarity.
(Chances are it’s all the same stuff, and the only difference is that ‘hypnagogia’ fits our everyday reality filters and this ‘other stuff’ does not.)
As I become more and more familiar with that realm of consciousness, I’ve had successes within it. You might notice that sometimes it feels like you have a problem to solve, but the solution rarely comes, which can lead to a feeling of frustration. You might run into this repeatedly if you are sick, leading to ‘fever dreams’. Last year I had COVID and I was rocking a high fever, slipping in and out of this recurring fever dream where some shapes had to be aligned properly to solve some kind of puzzle. My experience in this strange state meant I was able to actually solve the problem. Things slotted into place. There was an all-body sensation of relief. I woke immediately with the fever gone, feeling much better (still sick for another week though!)
I have a pet theory that this realm of chaotic thought is actually some kind of mind-body interface--perhaps the problems are posed by our white blood cells, borrowing the computational power of our brains to come up with solutions down in the realm of proteins.
37. Requesting postcards from nonphysical sources
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/11fvvkw/the_golden_palace/jar04p8/
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Paraphrased context: Immediate reply context: a joking request for postcards from the other side.
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Practice your hypnagogic visions! It’s a muscle you can train, you can get better at ‘seeing’ and accessing that state. It’s not just random nonsense to be ignored. Do that often enough and you’ll get some extremely strong visions now and then, and some of them will be like these ‘postcards’ from places of astonishing beauty.
I’m also developing a practice at the minute that focuses on those bizarre and indescribable thoughts on the edge of normal human cognition, those things that are not quite the same as hypnagogic visions but instead contain cognitive content, thoughts that seem alien and strange and are often impossible to put into human language. We all pass through these strange modes of thinking on the way to sleep, and in fact they bubble just under the surface continually, but they are mostly ignored even in consciousness exploration communities like this. They are closer to the surface mind than hypnagogic visions (in my experience) and they can be made stable with the right kind of accepting, explorative mindset (where you simply accept that there are other modes of thinking beyond the linear human sort, and open yourself up to it). Once they are stabilized you can use them as a door to AP, or you might find that they also contain surprising amounts of vivid ‘data’ that we’ve just been filtering out our whole lives.
38. Inferred: how dreams and lucid dreams relate to AP
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Paraphrased context: Inferred from answer: how dreams and lucid dreams relate to AP.
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I’m guessing there’s nothing at all wrong with you unless you have other symptoms of neurological disorders.
The OBE vibrations come in many forms. The full body vibration is just one form and over time these tend to lessen and lessen to the point where they are just a gentle rustling in your head if anything at all.
What you’re describing as a ‘zap’ could be exactly the same thing that I describe as a gentle rustle--like someone kicking through dry leaves, but right in the middle of your head. It can feel like it has stereo movement from one side to the other. Like a packet of white noise zooming through your brain, quickly. Woosh. Woosh. Woosh.
This is completely normal to experience when coming out of dreams or before OBEs. In fact capturing and intensifying the ‘zap’ at that moment can lead directly to an OBE. Steer into it! You would have nothing to worry about there, and a doctor’s appointment would be a waste of time (or worse, the path to medicating something that isn’t a problem).
If you want stats, I am male, 40, I’ve been doing this since I was a teenager, I have experienced this pulsing, wooshing, zappy sensation countless hundreds of times, and I have never had any kind of seizure, stroke, or fainting fit (unless you count sleep paralysis as a disorder, which I do not). No issues of that sort at all.
39. Inferred: whether the rope technique is useful
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/1653d4o/somebody_walking_on_my_bed/jycvomj/
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Paraphrased context: Inferred from answer: whether the rope technique is useful.
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Yep, you’ll just need to get used to a certain amount of weirdness on the edge of AP. As long as you react properly to it (fearless, curious) it won’t be an issue.
I’ve heard conversations where people discuss their plan to scare me...had things apparently jump on my stomach and bounce out the window when I insulted them...had all sorts of people looming over me (both friendly and unfriendly)...I’ve been face to face with a rat on my pillow...so much stuff I’ve forgotten the vast majority of it. Just last night I had a faceless tentacle-armed humanoid side-hugging me, and I was calmly instructed (by a voice from within) to stab it with a bundle of sharp chopsticks that had appeared in my left hand. Unsurprisingly, it thrashed around in fury, and then in an instant I was alone in silence and ready to AP.
It all just runs together after a while and becomes hum-drum. It’s just a kind of psychological barrier that you pierce through. (I should add that maybe 7/10 APs have nothing like this.)